Nomistrav
In my experience in Eve I've noticed that Command ships are a great help to fleet mechanics and I'm fairly sure anyone in the larger fleet/gang battles understands their necessity. However from what I've seen there's a certain ship type that should have been in game (imo of course) but never really was crafted. Maybe from fears it would be over powered (I agree; in some aspects).
Assault Frigates: Increase to offense and defense based on faction on most of these.
Heavy Assault Cruisers: Same thing
Command Ships: Increases on offense/defense with the added bonus of the ability to field gang assist modules.
So there you have a Frigate, a Cruiser, and a Battlecruiser design. Now the next line up for those type of increases is a Marauder (T2 Battleship) which is laughable in the PvP section of EvE.
Im just curious as to the opinion of other players and CCP on whether not there should be a 'command ship' variant of a Battleship as it seems to be omitted. Same as the previously stated with an increase to defense/offense and gang assist abilities as it's lacking for Battleship gangs unless you field the command ship, capital, or T3 with the proper setup. Of course this ship type would have to have it's limitations so that there wouldn't be entire BS gangs fielding them.
Any opinions/suggestions/comments are welcomed. I'd love to get some enlightenment from other players.
darius mclever
1. people do pvp in marauders. it is just the fact that not many people have the balls/isk to do so. i am kinda sure that is the more the limiting factor, especially in large scale pvp in 0.0.
they work better in small gang pvp.
2. the problem i see with your idea of a BS sized commandship, even the BC sized commandships are hard to kill, especially with logistics on the field. most people would expect a BS sized hp buffer and similar resists/slots as the BC sized commandships. and that would be almost impossible to kill in most situations, so leaning towards overpowered.
so why would you bring a 500-750m ship (usual price of a t2 bs) to do the job of a 150m commandship, for a bit increased HP buffer. most commandships tank more than the fleet they are boosting anyway.
Irae Ragwan
Marauders aren't terribly diffirent in price from a cheap carrier fit. Hence the reason why you almost never see them in pvp. If someone has that much isk to spend, they take the next logical step and bring 10x more to the fleet and a silly bs hull with extreme weakness to ewar.
Angie McFish
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Originally by: darius mclever
2. the problem i see with your idea of a BS sized commandship, even the BC sized commandships are hard to kill, especially with logistics on the field. most people would expect a BS sized hp buffer and similar resists/slots as the BC sized commandships. and that would be almost impossible to kill in most situations, so leaning towards overpowered.
Originally by: darius mcleverHow about nerfing the command ships so we could actually get a flagship kind of battleship? The command ships shouldn't be 2000dps tanks with lauchers + secondary alts with a vulture camping in a pos to provide fleet with bonuses. THey are broken! They should be frontline ships with limited offensive capabilities!
darius mclever
2. the problem i see with your idea of a BS sized commandship, even the BC sized commandships are hard to kill, especially with logistics on the field. most people would expect a BS sized hp buffer and similar resists/slots as the BC sized commandships. and that would be almost impossible to kill in most situations, so leaning towards overpowered.How about nerfing the command ships so we could actually get a flagship kind of battleship? The command ships shouldn't be 2000dps tanks with lauchers + secondary alts with a vulture camping in a pos to provide fleet with bonuses. THey are broken! They should be frontline ships with limited offensive capabilities!
the fleet commandships have a rather limited dps output, they give an FC a place to sit where he we wont die instantly when being primaried.
and i really cant agree with them being broken. if someone has an alt or a corp mate on a pos/safespot to give bonuses, the commandship does exactly what it is supposed to do. maybe the other guy was just smarter than you?
King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
At the moment there is a notable lack of a proper pvp t2 BS. There are marauders which are geared almost exclusively towards pve. Their nerfed to hell sensor strength ensures that and the tractor beam bonus just spells it out for anyone who still doesn't get it. That's not to say they can't be used in pvp but they really aren't intended for it. The pvp t2 BS is the BO's but it's inferior in every possible way to it's t1 counterpart. And the really sad part about that is their is a terribly vocal minority of players who want to keep it that way. God forbid the redeemer be superior to the armageddon in some way. If they get boosted they might actually get undocked occasionally. We can't have that.
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darius mclever
people even do blackops hotdrops nowadays. in case you didnt get the message yet.
Bayram Blacklion
well Black Ops vessel's arent front line fighter's they are support machine's,thats their role that someone open's a covert cyno the widow( king of black ops) makes the brigde and then let the killing start.
but yes we do have a lack of t2 battleships, what i would find interesting would be a sub-dreadnaught,the mechanics would almost be the same to their bigger counterparts like using a siege module,they could get an extented range to their weapon system as a bonus .
But it would cause alot of high sec pos carebears to whine and this idea would never go online
Nomistrav
Nice responses. However Black Ops are designed for their particular purpose in mind, to go behind enemy lines and wreak havoc with a covert cynosural. Marauders have their obvious purpose.
What I am trying to aim at is it's not about the 2k dps tank or whether or not they're invincible. Stating that a T2 command BS would be over powered is about the same as stating that a Carrier is overpowered because it just happens to be leading a BS fleet.
I understand full and well that the command ship does the job perfectly as is but it just seems so out of place in the battleship gangs. To be honest I view Command Ships as sort of a Sergeant in the field where as the particular ship we are discussing would be your Captain or Lieutenant.
I think Fleet Command Ships are misnomer in their purpose as their essentially the same vessel with the ability to field all three warfare links specific to their race... Just seems that a Fleet Command Ship would be a Battleship model to me..A captain among Sergeants, so to speak.
